NBA · Final · Playoffs round 1, game 5 · NYK leads 3–1updated 21:33 UTC

Detroit Pistons vs New York Knicks

at New York Knicks

NYK expected to win by about 5.5 · both teams together expected to score about 215.5 points · odds to win: DET 2.85, NYK 1.48

Game odds from Pinnacle (the bookmaker we use as the reference), Tue 23:30 UTC

DET 106 – NYK 103

Final

We had no picks in this game; every posted line is still scored below.

Getting a better price than most bookmakers offer is the only thing that made money in our past tests, measured on WNBA bets; NBA has not been measured yet. Player rates are context, not tips.

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How to read this page

A pick is a player line, for example Under 13.5 points, that we published before the game together with the price we found for it. We do not take bets.
Odds are shown in the decimal format: 1.93 means you get back 1.93 for every 1 staked, so a higher number pays more. The American format (−108 means risk 108 to win 100; +111 means risk 100 to win 111) appears only in the Data log at the bottom of the page.
'Posted at' is the price we found when we published the pick; 'better' is a higher price for the same line at another bookmaker. Taking the better price is the one thing on this page that made money over many past bets; that was measured on WNBA bets, and NBA has not been measured yet.
'Market puts Under at 48.5%' is the chance implied by all bookmakers' prices together, with their built-in margin removed. Pinnacle is a bookmaker whose prices are widely treated as the most accurate reference, so it is the one we compare against.
A player's rate is how often that player has gone over the line in every game we hold since the 2019-20 season (not only this season), for example over in 41 of 78 games (52.6%), with a likely range such as 32–52%: fewer games means a wider range, and under 10 games we show no rate word at all.
'Past record stronger than the price' means the whole likely range sits above the chance the bookmakers' price implies; 'weaker' means below; 'agrees with the price' means the price sits inside the range, which is the usual case. None of these is a tip.
'Not measurable' is the usual honest answer: too few games to tell a real difference from chance.
'What could go wrong' lists the facts that can change a line: who is out, whether the starting lineup is confirmed, expected playing time (RotoWire's estimate), rest, and how many bookmakers price each line.
After the final, every pick is checked against the official stats and compared with the last price before the game started, the market's most informed price; getting a better price than that is the fairest test of a pick, whether or not it won. A tie means the player landed exactly on the line and the stake is returned; lines ending in .5 cannot tie.
Results are given for every 1 staked: 'would have returned +0.93' means a stake of 1 would have come back with 0.93 in profit. We do not stake anything; the record is what a stake of 1 on each pick would have done. Our record counts a smaller stake when the price advantage was small.
S beside a name marks an expected starter. Times are shown in your device's time zone; our data is recorded in US Eastern Time (ET). Team codes are the league's three-letter abbreviations.
'Your prediction' lets you pick Over or Under on any line before the game starts; we check your predictions the same way and keep your record, and one game of results proves nothing.
Team codes on this page: DET = Detroit Pistons, NYK = New York Knicks.

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Picks and prices

Odds of at least 1.70 only · highest odds first · results checked

A line is the number a bookmaker sets, e.g. 13.5 points; Over means more than it, Under fewer. Odds 1.93 pay 1.93 for every 1 staked. 'Posted at' is the price we found when we published the pick; after the game it is compared with the last price before the start.

We had no picks in this game.

Why the better price matters

A higher price for the same line pays more whenever the pick wins; that is arithmetic, not a forecast.

What taking the best price is worth has been measured only on WNBA lines (25 Aug 2026); NBA has not been measured yet.

The players

9 players checked · 6 whose past record points the other way from the bookmakers' price · 1 out · 0 with too few games

Rate: the share of every game we hold for the player since the 2019-20 season (not only this season) in which the player finished above tonight's line. S beside a name marks an expected starter.

Against this opponent, 2 of 10 players have performed clearly differently and 2 show a slight hint · No starting lineup yet; showing every player with a line · playoff series: too few games to measure a difference

Context only A player's rate describes the past; it is not a tip and has not been tested as one. Expected minutes come from RotoWire, a lineup news service.

Sign in to see each player's rate The numbers below (for example 15.5 points) are the lines the bookmakers actually posted.

Detroit Pistonsplaying NYK

Ausar Thompson · minutes unknown

points 8.5 → 22 actual

Cade Cunningham · minutes unknown

points 26.5 → 24 actual

Paul Reed · minutes unknown

points 3.5 → 0 actual

Jalen Duren · Out · right hamstring strain (hamstring) · listed out, then played

points 11.5 → 9 actual

New York Knicksplaying DET

Jalen Brunson · minutes unknown

points 29.5 → 16 actual

Josh Hart · minutes unknown

points 11.5 → 15 actual

Karl-Anthony Towns · minutes unknown

points 23.5 → 17 actual

Mikal Bridges · minutes unknown

points 15.5 → 17 actual

Miles McBride · minutes unknown

points 4.5 → 4 actual

OG Anunoby · minutes unknown

points 16.5 → 19 actual

Original forecast · corrected actuals

What did we expect, and what happened?

This reads the saved pre-tip model. Today’s rosters, injuries and model changes do not rewrite it.

Reading the immutable pre-tip record…

What could go wrong

updated 21:33 UTC

Who is out

Out Harkless · two-way · DET

Out Joe · right hip contusion (hip) · DET

Out Duren · right hamstring strain (hamstring) · DET

Out Onyenso · two-way · DET

Hart · likely to play · illness · NYK

May not play Towns · left sore calf (calf) · NYK

Lineup changes unavailable right now.

Lineups

Expected starting lineup, not yet confirmed

Playing time

No playing-time estimates yet.

Rest

Both teams had at least two days between their last game and this one.

Bookmakers

The reference bookmaker, Pinnacle, offers 0 of the 204 lines; the rest rely on other bookmakers.

Every pick is priced by at least 2 bookmakers.

When a player is out, that player's lines are removed: in our past results this helped. Guessing which teammates benefit was also tested and lost money, so nothing else on this page is adjusted for it.

What happened

In 3 of 7 cases where a player's past record disagreed with the bookmakers' price, the past record was right in this game. One game proves nothing.

FinalWe had no picks in this game · every posted line is still scored below

10 other players with a posted line

Ausar Thompson · points 8.5 → 22 · 13.5 above the line · played 28.9 min · no final price

Paul Reed · points 3.5 → 0 · 3.5 below the line · played 11.2 min · no final price

Jalen Brunson · points 29.5 → 16 · 13.5 below the line · played 36.2 min · no final price

Josh Hart · points 11.5 → 15 · 3.5 above the line · played 35.7 min · no final price

Karl-Anthony Towns · points 23.5 → 17 · 6.5 below the line · played 34.6 min · no final price

Jalen Duren · points 11.5 → 9 · 2.5 below the line · played 32.7 min · no final price

OG Anunoby · points 16.5 → 19 · 2.5 above the line · played 38.9 min · no final price

Miles McBride · points 4.5 → 4 · 0.5 below the line · played 22.1 min · no final price

Mikal Bridges · points 15.5 → 17 · 1.5 above the line · played 37.8 min · no final price

Cade Cunningham · points 26.5 → 24 · 2.5 below the line · played 37.3 min · no final price

Each prediction is recorded as if you had staked 1 at the line you saw, and your record is shown here. One game tells you nothing yet.

More context

Head to head

NYK vs DET · last 28 games · NYK leads · NYK record 19–9 · average score 111.4–106.7 · NYK has won by 4.7 on average

Team results are background only; they say nothing about any single player's line.

27 Oct · DET 97 at NYK 111NYK won

What each defense gives up per game

DET gives up104.6 points · 45.1 rebounds · 21.6 assists · 32.2% from three-point range

NYK gives up102.3 points · 39.8 rebounds · 25.1 assists · 33.7% from three-point range

Defense by position

How much this is worth

Defense-by-position numbers are mostly random from season to season; shown for context only. We tested it: a team's defense-by-position numbers from one half of the season do not predict the other half, so treat them as noise.

DET gives up 104.6 points a game · 3rd of 30 · league average 113.3−8.7 vs average

NYK gives up 102.3 points a game · 1st of 30 · league average 113.3−11.0 vs average

How the game odds moved

No history of the game odds on file.

Data log (technical)

Technical detail for auditing; the plain version is above. Internal ids and formula names print here only.

Line-shopping measurement: project_conditional_minutes_refuted

Defense-by-position measurement: split-half reliability r = -0.033 across 12 cells (7 of 12 negative) against a shuffle null of 0.000; a placebo using the wrong position family reproduced the effect to within 0.12pp · project_dvp_blowout_gate_refuted · 2026-08-26

Our picks, raw · 0

No raw pick rows for this game.

Checked results, raw (basketball-stats shorthand) · 0

No graded rows for this game.

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